Comments on: Film vs HD (with $15M) http://www.angelobell.com/2009/10/film-vs-hd-with-15m/ Angelo Bell's Painfully Exhilarating Adventures in Independent Filmmaking Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:27:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David George http://www.angelobell.com/2009/10/film-vs-hd-with-15m/comment-page-1/#comment-933 David George Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:02:40 +0000 http://www.angelobell.com/?p=1692#comment-933 Just shot tests comparing S-16 Vision2 50D to RED. The RED has a lot to offer, but there was seriously no comparison with the film. We did an exposure series and were able to get usable results from the film from -3 to +4. The RED didn't look as good at normal exposure as the film did (even) at +4. The RED footage became unusable in my opinion at +2 and -1. Too hot and the highlights go, to dark and the noise get crazy. Admittedly 50D is a slow stock, but the results were extraordinary. I plan to post soon on REDuser. Just shot tests comparing S-16 Vision2 50D to RED. The RED has a lot to offer, but there was seriously no comparison with the film. We did an exposure series and were able to get usable results from the film from -3 to +4. The RED didn’t look as good at normal exposure as the film did (even) at +4. The RED footage became unusable in my opinion at +2 and -1. Too hot and the highlights go, to dark and the noise get crazy. Admittedly 50D is a slow stock, but the results were extraordinary. I plan to post soon on REDuser.

]]> By: David Baker http://www.angelobell.com/2009/10/film-vs-hd-with-15m/comment-page-1/#comment-910 David Baker Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:17:01 +0000 http://www.angelobell.com/?p=1692#comment-910 This is my reply to Dustin Pearlman, since this blog posts misrepresents my bigger picture point! Its not about getting the last word but I dont want someone Implying I am not a smart director!, when they just go off on one on their own! ] Dustin, dont be so bloody patronising! You missed the point completely but I am not going to spoon feed you. Its clearly obvious if you have a hot script, surround yourself with the best crew in the world, best kit, then its hard to screw up a movie. Whatever it is shot on! Teach me my friend! I dont know what world you come from but I come from a world where most movies are BAD. Low budget with no crews, and BIG budget with all the best crews. So why is that? We need better SCRIPTS! I just made a very simple point, and you go into patronising "guru" mode! When I get the budgets that can afford the best people, then I look forward to colloboratinig with very talented and skilled people. You "asume" too much. If I didnt want collaborators I would become a painter! At the level I am at now, I have to rely on my judgement about the shots I want, the look I want etc, as I don't have the top pros around me. I only have my vision. But the stories I have at the moment, dont require the best DOP in the world! When I get budgets, I want EXPERTS in their fields to help me realise my vision. At this time, I cant afford experts, so I trust a lot of my own judgement until I can work with best people in the world. Simple as that. And that can work if you focus on a SCRIPT charater story, rather than a visual spectical. I want to create big budget movies one day to work with a bigger canvas, but to counteract that, I want to shoot tiny cassavettes style flicks in a room, where I do camera, production design etc etc. And if that makes me a control freak because I want to wear a lot of hats on small films, then so be it. To be fair to you, posting online can lead to misinterpretation. I think that is what we have here. I think we are all on the same page. But sometimes communicating like this is a shit way to do things. (Sighhh) Life is too short for bitching about stuff we probably already agree on. Which is time wasting and not smart. Angelo, I did not want to post on your blog like this, but I did send you a message. As I said, I dont need the last word, but I dont want on your blog when someone has misrepresented my point, and implied I am not a smart director! Who hell is he!! Speilberg! This is my reply to Dustin Pearlman, since this blog posts misrepresents my bigger picture point! Its not about getting the last word but I dont want someone Implying I am not a smart director!, when they just go off on one on their own! ]

Dustin, dont be so bloody patronising! You missed the point completely but I am not going to spoon feed you.

Its clearly obvious if you have a hot script, surround yourself with the best crew in the world, best kit, then its hard to screw up a movie. Whatever it is shot on! Teach me my friend!

I dont know what world you come from but I come from a world where most movies are BAD. Low budget with no crews, and BIG budget with all the best crews. So why is that? We need better SCRIPTS!

I just made a very simple point, and you go into patronising “guru” mode! When I get the budgets that can afford the best people, then I look forward to colloboratinig with very talented and skilled people. You “asume” too much. If I didnt want collaborators I would become a painter!

At the level I am at now, I have to rely on my judgement about the shots I want, the look I want etc, as I don’t have the top pros around me. I only have my vision. But the stories I have at the moment, dont require the best DOP in the world!

When I get budgets, I want EXPERTS in their fields to help me realise my vision. At this time, I cant afford experts, so I trust a lot of my own judgement until I can work with best people in the world. Simple as that. And that can work if you focus on a SCRIPT charater story, rather than a visual spectical.

I want to create big budget movies one day to work with a bigger canvas, but to counteract that, I want to shoot tiny cassavettes style flicks in a room, where I do camera, production design etc etc. And if that makes me a control freak because I want to wear a lot of hats on small films, then so be it.

To be fair to you, posting online can lead to misinterpretation. I think that is what we have here. I think we are all on the same page. But sometimes communicating like this is a shit way to do things. (Sighhh) Life is too short for bitching about stuff we probably already agree on. Which is time wasting and not smart.

Angelo, I did not want to post on your blog like this, but I did send you a message. As I said, I dont need the last word, but I dont want on your blog when someone has misrepresented my point, and implied I am not a smart director! Who hell is he!! Speilberg!

]]> By: Angelo http://www.angelobell.com/2009/10/film-vs-hd-with-15m/comment-page-1/#comment-907 Angelo Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:44:45 +0000 http://www.angelobell.com/?p=1692#comment-907 MPR, well said! MPR, well said!

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]]> By: John W. Bosley http://www.angelobell.com/2009/10/film-vs-hd-with-15m/comment-page-1/#comment-905 John W. Bosley Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:03:49 +0000 http://www.angelobell.com/?p=1692#comment-905 When speaking at a college once, while showing my film, a student asked me, "what's the going price for film stock in our state?" My response: "I don't know and honestly I don't care..." I ended my answer by stating: "shooting on film stock is like driving a Model T in a NASCAR race..." I still believe that! When speaking at a college once, while showing my film, a student asked me, “what’s the going price for film stock in our state?”
My response: “I don’t know and honestly I don’t care…”
I ended my answer by stating: “shooting on film stock is like driving a Model T in a NASCAR race…” I still believe that!

]]> By: britmic http://www.angelobell.com/2009/10/film-vs-hd-with-15m/comment-page-1/#comment-904 britmic Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:47:14 +0000 http://www.angelobell.com/?p=1692#comment-904 I'd shoot an appropriate format for the content. Whatever my DP says, I'd be cool with it ... Personally I'm over the "film look" and my current feature was shot 30fps 720p (equivilent resolution, they say, to shooting Super8 back in the day). Film is the past to me, it's the look of an era. With insane ISO levels coming out of DSLR nowadays I'd be glad to shoot a number of photographs per second, after all, isn't that what "film" used to be? Many professional photographers use DSLR, film is dead to them. Cinema, projectors, inertia, keeps film alive as a distribution format. But for how much longer? I’d shoot an appropriate format for the content. Whatever my DP says, I’d be cool with it …

Personally I’m over the “film look” and my current feature was shot 30fps 720p (equivilent resolution, they say, to shooting Super8 back in the day). Film is the past to me, it’s the look of an era.

With insane ISO levels coming out of DSLR nowadays I’d be glad to shoot a number of photographs per second, after all, isn’t that what “film” used to be? Many professional photographers use DSLR, film is dead to them. Cinema, projectors, inertia, keeps film alive as a distribution format. But for how much longer?

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